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Posted by bellino24 (Member # 2773) on 12. Gennaio 2004, 19:11:
 
Mi date qualche dritta per rendere il più stabile possibile cubase sx 2.0?
Ogni pochissimo mi si blocca, consigliandomi prima, di salvare il lavoro molto gentilmente quanto irritantemente
Mi dice che l'errore è riportato nel file che credo sia questo qua:


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Cubasesx.exe Version Version 2.0.0 Build 4 - 10.1.2004 14:37
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Timestamp is 3f410af8 (Mon Aug 18 19:20:56 2003)
C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION
Fault address: 02941382 01:00000382 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\piiiap.opt

Registers:
EAX=029d7820 ECX=00000180 EDX=0294d038 EBX=09d7fe68 ESI=0b1a12d0 EDI= 17087dff
EBP=0279b290 EIP=02941382 ESP=09d7fe40 CS= 0000001b SS= 00000023 Flags=00010252
DS= 00000023 ES= 00000023 FS= 00000038 GS= 00000000

Float Save:
Control Word= ffff027f Status Word= ffff4020 Tag Word=ffffffff
Error Offset= 0294137a Error Selector=01c9001b
Data Offset= 0294d074 Data Selector= ffff0023
Cr0NpxState= 00000000

Bytes at CS:EIP:
f3 a5 b8 01 00 00 00 83 c4 18 5e 5f 8b e3 5b c2
10 00 dd d8 eb d2 53 8b dc 83 e4 f0 57 56 55 83

Call stack:
Address Frame
02941382 0279B290 0001:00000382 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\piiiap.opt
08968468 0B1A12D0 0000:00000000
36B3F601 35204377 0000:00000000 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe


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Cubasesx.exe Version Version 2.0.0 Build 4 - 11.1.2004 23:56
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Timestamp is 3f410af8 (Mon Aug 18 19:20:56 2003)
C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION
Fault address: 02ED087F 01:0000F87F c:\programmi\steinberg\asio\asiodxfd.dll

Registers:
EAX=054e9000 ECX=00000000 EDX=04b65e50 EBX=02e03618 ESI=0012f290 EDI= 04b10000
EBP=0f5dff00 EIP=02ed087f ESP=0f5dfdc4 CS= 0000001b SS= 00000023 Flags=00010287
DS= 00000023 ES= 00000023 FS= 00000038 GS= 00000000

Float Save:
Control Word= ffff027f Status Word= ffff0020 Tag Word=ffffffff
Error Offset= 02ed0bfc Error Selector=04f8001b
Data Offset= 02e068f0 Data Selector= ffff0023
Cr0NpxState= 00000000

Bytes at CS:EIP:
66 89 0a 8b 55 cc 83 c2 02 89 55 cc 8b 45 dc 83
c0 02 89 45 dc 8b 4d cc 8b 55 d0 66 8b 02 66 89

Call stack:
Address Frame
02ED087F 0F5DFF00 DllMain+39B2
02ED0D11 0F5DFF14 DllMain+3E44
02ED0F4C 0F5DFF58 DllMain+407F
02EC1BA4 0F5DFF8C 0001:00000BA4 c:\programmi\steinberg\asio\asiodxfd.dll
02EC1F7F 0F5DFFB4 0001:00000F7F c:\programmi\steinberg\asio\asiodxfd.dll
77E5D33B 0F5DFFEC RegisterWaitForInputIdle+43


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Cubasesx.exe Version Version 2.0.0 Build 4 - 12.1.2004 0:08
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Timestamp is 3f410af8 (Mon Aug 18 19:20:56 2003)
C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION
Fault address: 00C1B7F9 01:0081A7F9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe

Registers:
EAX=00002000 ECX=00000800 EDX=0ba507e0 EBX=02735310 ESI=0c7dfc0c EDI= 88c8c500
EBP=0a52fd6c EIP=00c1b7f9 ESP=0a52fd14 CS= 0000001b SS= 00000023 Flags=00010206
DS= 00000023 ES= 00000023 FS= 00000038 GS= 00000000

Float Save:
Control Word= ffff027f Status Word= ffff4022 Tag Word=ffffffff
Error Offset= 0042662f Error Selector=01c9001b
Data Offset= 0a52ff00 Data Selector= ffff0023
Cr0NpxState= 00000000

Bytes at CS:EIP:
f3 a5 8b c8 83 e1 03 f3 a4 eb b0 b0 01 5f 5e 8b
e5 5d c2 14 00 cc cc 55 8b ec e8 08 00 00 00 5d

Call stack:
Address Frame
00C1B7F9 0A52FD6C 0001:0081A7F9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C2600A 0A52FE70 0001:0082500A C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0045FAC3 0A52FF14 0001:0005EAC3 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0043DDB1 0A52FF2C 0001:0003CDB1 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C4DBC5 0A52FF40 0001:0084CBC5 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C9A4E9 0A52FF58 0001:008994E9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00D00935 0A52FF7C 0001:008FF935 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00CF58E1 0A52FF94 0001:008F48E1 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00CF5669 0A52FFA0 0001:008F4669 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00CF5399 0A52FFAC 0001:008F4399 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F311C6 0A52FFB4 0001:00B301C6 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
77E5D33B 0A52FFEC RegisterWaitForInputIdle+43


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Cubasesx.exe Version Version 2.0.0 Build 4 - 12.1.2004 17:18
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Timestamp is 3f410af8 (Mon Aug 18 19:20:56 2003)
C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION
Fault address: 00C1B7F9 01:0081A7F9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe

Registers:
EAX=00000600 ECX=00000180 EDX=0a2d0588 EBX=026f9550 ESI=0b567640 EDI= ec5f91ac
EBP=09d2fd6c EIP=00c1b7f9 ESP=09d2fd14 CS= 0000001b SS= 00000023 Flags=00010202
DS= 00000023 ES= 00000023 FS= 00000038 GS= 00000000

Float Save:
Control Word= ffff027f Status Word= ffff4020 Tag Word=ffffffff
Error Offset= 0042662f Error Selector=01c9001b
Data Offset= 09d2ff00 Data Selector= ffff0023
Cr0NpxState= 00000000

Bytes at CS:EIP:
f3 a5 8b c8 83 e1 03 f3 a4 eb b0 b0 01 5f 5e 8b
e5 5d c2 14 00 cc cc 55 8b ec e8 08 00 00 00 5d

Call stack:
Address Frame
00C1B7F9 09D2FD6C 0001:0081A7F9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C2600A 09D2FE70 0001:0082500A C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0045FAC3 09D2FF14 0001:0005EAC3 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0043DDB1 09D2FF2C 0001:0003CDB1 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C4DBC5 09D2FF40 0001:0084CBC5 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C9A4E9 09D2FF58 0001:008994E9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00D00935 09D2FF7C 0001:008FF935 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00CF58E1 09D2FF94 0001:008F48E1 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00CF5669 09D2FFA0 0001:008F4669 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00CF5399 09D2FFAC 0001:008F4399 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F311C6 09D2FFB4 0001:00B301C6 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
77E5D33B 09D2FFEC RegisterWaitForInputIdle+43


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Cubasesx.exe Version Version 2.0.0 Build 4 - 12.1.2004 17:49
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Timestamp is 3f410af8 (Mon Aug 18 19:20:56 2003)
C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION
Fault address: 028F127F 01:0000027F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\piiiap.opt

Registers:
EAX=00000000 ECX=00000180 EDX=02982de8 EBX=0012f700 ESI=00f42a10 EDI= 237394ad
EBP=0012f724 EIP=028f127f ESP=0012f6d0 CS= 0000001b SS= 00000023 Flags=00010246
DS= 00000023 ES= 00000023 FS= 0000003b GS= 00000000

Float Save:
Control Word= ffff027f Status Word= ffff4020 Tag Word=ffffffff
Error Offset= 028f1278 Error Selector=07ff001b
Data Offset= 028fd070 Data Selector= ffff0023
Cr0NpxState= 00000000

Bytes at CS:EIP:
f3 ab b8 01 00 00 00 83 c4 2c 5f 8b e3 5b c2 0c
00 dd d9 dd d8 eb d3 90 90 53 8b dc 83 e4 f0 57

Call stack:
Address Frame
028F127F 0012F724 0001:0000027F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\piiiap.opt
0045B029 0012F734 0001:0005A029 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0045BF84 0012F740 0001:0005AF84 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
004648BD 0012F754 0001:000638BD C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00466A9E 0012F774 0001:00065A9E C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C9F1A7 0012F790 0001:0089E1A7 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C9E69E 0012F7E0 0001:0089D69E C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C9E613 0012F7F4 0001:0089D613 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C955E6 0012F834 0001:008945E6 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F41CC8 0012F8BC 0001:00B40CC8 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F43805 0012FD70 0001:00B42805 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
77D13A68 0012FD9C 0001:00002A68 C:\WINDOWS\system32\USER32.dll
77D13B37 0012FE04 0001:00002B37 C:\WINDOWS\system32\USER32.dll
77D13D91 0012FE64 GetMessageW+125
77D1438C 0012FECC DispatchMessageA+B
00F3D76B 0012FEE0 0001:00B3C76B C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00FB382B 0012FF04 0001:00BB282B C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00A1887F 0012FF28 0001:0061787F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00EC9D4A 0012FF34 0001:00AC8D4A C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
01189232 0012FFC0 0001:00D88232 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
77E614C7 0012FFF0 GetCurrentDirectoryW+44


===================================================================
Cubasesx.exe Version Version 2.0.0 Build 4 - 12.1.2004 17:50
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Timestamp is 3f410af8 (Mon Aug 18 19:20:56 2003)
C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION
Fault address: 028F127F 01:0000027F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\piiiap.opt

Registers:
EAX=00000000 ECX=00000180 EDX=02982de8 EBX=0012f764 ESI=08917ff0 EDI= 43a0d055
EBP=0012f788 EIP=028f127f ESP=0012f730 CS= 0000001b SS= 00000023 Flags=00010246
DS= 00000023 ES= 00000023 FS= 0000003b GS= 00000000

Float Save:
Control Word= ffff027f Status Word= ffff4020 Tag Word=ffffffff
Error Offset= 028f1278 Error Selector=01c9001b
Data Offset= 028fd070 Data Selector= ffff0023
Cr0NpxState= 00000000

Bytes at CS:EIP:
f3 ab b8 01 00 00 00 83 c4 2c 5f 8b e3 5b c2 0c
00 dd d9 dd d8 eb d3 90 90 53 8b dc 83 e4 f0 57

Call stack:
Address Frame
028F127F 0012F788 0001:0000027F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\piiiap.opt
0045B029 0012F798 0001:0005A029 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0045BF4D 0012F7A4 0001:0005AF4D C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
004613B1 0012F7B0 0001:000603B1 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0046372F 0012F7BC 0001:0006272F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
004669F7 0012F7D4 0001:000659F7 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C9F979 0012F840 0001:0089E979 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C9E451 0012F870 0001:0089D451 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C947F4 0012F8B8 0001:008937F4 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C949AC 0012F8D8 0001:008939AC C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00C93B97 0012F8E4 0001:00892B97 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00725EC9 0012F914 0001:00324EC9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
007BB988 0012F97C 0001:003BA988 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
007B87EA 0012F9AC 0001:003B77EA C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00476BB1 0012F9C8 0001:00075BB1 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0047EFEF 0012F9D4 0001:0007DFEF C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F27A60 0012F9F0 0001:00B26A60 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
004A60DD 0012FA24 0001:000A50DD C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
004B67BF 0012FA30 0001:000B57BF C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F27A60 0012FA4C 0001:00B26A60 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F2F774 0012FA58 0001:00B2E774 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F300BD 0012FA74 0001:00B2F0BD C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F2FAD4 0012FA8C 0001:00B2EAD4 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
010225FC 0012FAA8 0001:00C215FC C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00B077F3 0012FAC0 0001:007067F3 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00AD6F78 0012FAE0 0001:006D5F78 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00AE3FDF 0012FAEC 0001:006E2FDF C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F27A60 0012FB08 0001:00B26A60 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
009A8A76 0012FB14 0001:005A7A76 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F3B286 0012FB2C 0001:00B3A286 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
004369BF 0012FB38 0001:000359BF C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F27A60 0012FB54 0001:00B26A60 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F46F19 0012FB90 0001:00B45F19 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0114D422 0012FBA8 0001:00D4C422 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0115419F 0012FBB4 0001:00D5319F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F27A60 0012FBD0 0001:00B26A60 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F46F19 0012FC0C 0001:00B45F19 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F3B2F2 0012FC24 0001:00B3A2F2 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
004369BF 0012FC30 0001:000359BF C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F27A60 0012FC4C 0001:00B26A60 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F46F19 0012FC88 0001:00B45F19 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F3B2F2 0012FCA0 0001:00B3A2F2 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
004369BF 0012FCAC 0001:000359BF C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F27A60 0012FCC8 0001:00B26A60 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F46F19 0012FD04 0001:00B45F19 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00FD0AAE 0012FD20 0001:00BCFAAE C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0102159F 0012FD3C 0001:00C2059F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
0049977F 0012FD48 0001:0009877F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F27A60 0012FD64 0001:00B26A60 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00FD22B9 0012FDF0 0001:00BD12B9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F3BD5E 0012FE00 0001:00B3AD5E C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00FD1E84 0012FE48 0001:00BD0E84 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00FD1DF9 0012FE90 0001:00BD0DF9 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F63B8C 0012FECC 0001:00B62B8C C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00F3D7BF 0012FEE0 0001:00B3C7BF C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00FB382B 0012FF04 0001:00BB282B C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00A1887F 0012FF28 0001:0061787F C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
00EC9D4A 0012FF34 0001:00AC8D4A C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
01189232 0012FFC0 0001:00D88232 C:\Programmi\Steinberg\Cubase SX\Cubasesx.exe
77E614C7 0012FFF0 GetCurrentDirectoryW+44

IO NON CI CAPISCO NULLA!!!!!!!


Non è che pretenda molto! Utilizzo soltanto il basso e la batteria tipo VST, il suono del piano lo prendo dal mio vecchio piano elettrico Roland EP9E. EPPURE MI SI BLOCCA LO STESSO!?!?!?!?

Non capisco molto di computer, e quando faccio andare cubase tengo il minimo indispensabile in background (tolgo l'antivirus, internet, emule ecc. ecc.)
Ma un conto è andare piano (posso anche concederglielo vista la sua pesantezza); ma un conto è bloccarsi continuamente.

Forse è qualche settaggio che non va?
Vi è mai successa una cosa del genere?
Da una parte spero che non vi sia mai successa, ma nello stesso tempo spero che vi sia accaduta e che ne siete uscite fuori...così lo dite anche a me che sono piuttosto ignorantello
 

Posted by faber (Member # 1533) on 12. Gennaio 2004, 19:13:
 
sx2 origginale o .... ?
 
Posted by PeterPa (Member # 2257) on 12. Gennaio 2004, 19:19:
 
a me non da nessun problema, però se faccio "aiuto" "info su Cubase" mi da :
version 2.01 build 10
 
Posted by bellino24 (Member # 2773) on 12. Gennaio 2004, 19:20:
 
Pensi che possa essere piratato?

 
Posted by PeterPa (Member # 2257) on 12. Gennaio 2004, 19:26:
 
bhè, io questo non posso saperlo e non mi interessa neanche pensarlo.
devi comunque fare l'upgrade che per'altro è gratis.
 
Posted by bellino24 (Member # 2773) on 12. Gennaio 2004, 20:11:
 
Me lo ha dato un mio amico per farmelo vedere.
Adesso è tornato a casa sua nel sud e non lo rivedrò fino a metà febbraio. Tuttavia a lui funzionava tutto bene perchè non mi ha detto nulla dei possibili problemi e non mi sa dire niente dei problemi che ho io.
Non so se è piratato? A occhio sembra di no!
Quelli piratati vanno peggio?
 
Posted by PeterPa (Member # 2257) on 12. Gennaio 2004, 20:22:
 
se non hai la chiave è piratato, chiaro!
 
Posted by Volothamp (Member # 2537) on 12. Gennaio 2004, 20:36:
 
Certo che va peggio, se è piratato il crack rende instabile il programma.
 
Posted by Jacomando (Member # 2464) on 13. Gennaio 2004, 12:57:
 
Per me è piratato
 
Posted by cj (Member # 236) on 13. Gennaio 2004, 15:19:
 
Cioè io DEVO LEGGERE ANCORA QUESTE COSE?


 



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